On Monday I travelled back down to Jamia Millia University to meet Waris Mazhari, an Islamic scholar and graduate of Dar ul Uloom Deoband who is based at the university.
It was a great pleasure to talk with Waris, who apart from being a prominent scholar in his own right is a thoughtful and articulate critic of aspects of the madrassa system. Here are some of the main points he raised in the discussion:
- The thinking of those running the madrassas has become stagnant. For 150 years there has been little reform of the madrassa curriculum. A large section of madrassas are no longer relevant to the modern world and their graduates, while thoroughly versed in the minutiae of Islamic doctrine, are unaware of modern issues affecting that doctrine.
- Post-9/11 there has been some introspection in the system, in response to huge external pressure (ie. to root out extremism and mindsets that contribute to it). Some madrassas have begun to teach English, Maths and other secular subjects, usually at a basic level. These reforms should go further, but change will necessarily be very slow.
- The ulema (scholars) are largely alienated from the Muslim middle classes and intelligentsia. Many of them believe that intellectuals, non-Muslims (particularly the media) and Hindu activists are overly influenced by the west (ie. ideas ‘harmful to Islam’ originate in the west).
- Lack of fluency in English in the madrassa community is a major problem, sealing it off even further from the outside world. Often maulanas are simply unaware of debates around reform going on in the mainstream press and academic circles. The two spheres are almost entirely separate.
Waris’s comments reinforce a sense I often get when I go into Islamic institutions (in India and elsewhere) – that I am asking the wrong questions. Apart from a literal language barrier, the worldviews of interviewer and interviewee are framed in such different terms that real communication is difficult. Attempting to understand these views and preoccupations as accurately as possible is one of the fascinating and satisfying aspects of this project.
I returned from Jamia on an incredibly (and uncharacteristically) slow and delayed metro train, and had plenty of time to soak up the ambience in the packed ladies’ carriage. We were accompanied by one tall young male soldier (at eye level with me over the sea of petite Delhi ladies) who gallantly pulled the emergency communication alarm every five minutes to ask on a pretty girl’s behalf how much longer the journey would take. Every time, the train would judder to a halt and a guard made a leisurely progress down the carriage to fiddle with and reset the alarm before we crawled onwards.
The metro trains have a bossy and verbose PA system which broadcasts a nonstop mixture of warnings, admonitions and advice in two languages. (Sample: “Any unattended article – like a briefcase, toy, Thermos or transistor – could be a bomb”.) When, after 45 minutes, several girls and I sank to the floor of the carriage, it went into overdrive, shouting “Passengers must not sit on the floor” in English until we all stood up. Who says Delhi is disorganised!